Tuesday, September 11, 2018

grammar - Differences between listing particles と, や and に


Consider the following:




  • A, B and C came:



    1. AとBとCが来た


    2. AやBやCが来た

    3. AにBにCが来た




What do I need to consider when deciding which of the three (と, や, に) to use?


I think a large portion is determined by the type of verb used. I shall generalise into two groups:



  1. Reciprocal type - marry; meet; be similar

  2. Non-reciprocal type - see; walk; be interesting



Ambiguity may result from using listing particles with reciprocal type verbs:




  • AとBが結婚した (Ambiguous)




    • A and B got married (to each other)





    • A and B got married (independent instances)






  • AやBが結婚した (Not ambiguous)



    • A and B got married (independent instances among others (example-giving nuance of や))





But for these cases:



  • AにBが結婚した

  • AにBが会った


Can they receive listing interpretation similar to AにBにCが来た?
Will に be forced to be dative?


How about when the sentence is rearranged to:




  • BがAに結婚した

  • BがAに会った


Can this receive a listing interpretation?
Will に be forced to be dative?



Answer



I have the feeling that under the relevant usage is used adverbially and implies "remembering the item one after another while listing", and I think it requires at least three items. Two is too short for remembering one after another.



 AにBにCが来た
?* AにBが来た

 AにBにCが結婚した
?* AにBが結婚した



結婚する cannot have a dative argument, and I guess the structure of AにBにCが結婚する is Aに[Bに[Cが結婚する]] "C will get married, in addition to B, in addition to A", rather than [AにBにCが]結婚する, so it cannot have the reciprocal interpretation. BがAに結婚した is completely ungrammatical.


If you wanted to do a listing interpretation for 会う, which takes a dative argument, then you can do this:



AにBに(それに)CがDに会った (A, B: listing interpretation, D: dative)
'A, and B, and also C, met D'
AがBにCに(それに)Dに会った (B, C: listing interpretation, D: dative)
'A met B, and C, and also D'




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